Rachel ([info]ne0ndice) wrote,
@ 2008-11-06 18:07:00
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Prop 8.
I know a lot of people have been talking about it lately, but it's all I can think about lately. I'm not gay or considering marriage at this point in time, and yet I'm finding myself to be truly outraged by the fact that 51% of Californians voted to eliminate rights from their fellow citizens.

I just don't understand why certain religions have to impose THEIR morals onto someone else and decide for THEM on how they live their life. I'm aware that homosexuality is not okay in the Bible... but you know what? Slavery is alright. Discrimination is NEVER right, no matter who or what you believe in. As an American, believe in equality or else we have nothing to believe in anymore. We are no longer united as a country, and divided we fall.

Schools and gay marriage. Well, I'm a senior in high school and I have never been taught a thing about gay or straight marriage besides it's for "two people who love each other very much." And living in California and our modern society, meeting a gay person is not that rare. We're teaching the future of America to discriminate and be intolerant of others. I thought we got rid of most discrimination a long time ago... and we have more pressing issues like our plunging economy to be fixed. Why is America regressing?

I won't say that people who believe that homosexuality is wrong are ignorant, because that's what they believe and they have all the rights in the world to believe that. But can they believe it's wrong and still be tolerant? Sure. I think smoking weed is wrong but I don't try to eliminate the rights of someone who chooses to do so.

I just find it strange that Barack Obama, an African-American man whose race we formerly enslaved, was overwhelmingly elected as President of the United States and yet Californians passed a proposition that made gays into second-class citizens.



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[info]bumblebee_3
2008-11-07 02:50 am UTC (link)
I totally agree with you, and I don't understand why it's such a big issue either. And I was raised Catholic, but I go against the church because I think gay marriages are okay, along with I think that abortions should be legal and kept away from the government. There's going to be a gay-straight alliance club at my school, and I can't wait to join because I hate discrimination.

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[info]ne0ndice
2008-11-07 05:55 am UTC (link)
my friend's dad was raised Christian, but he still wholeheartedly supports gay marriage. it'd be stupid to follow EXACTLY what the Bible says because then we'd not shave, not eat shellfish, and treat women as heathens.

the GSA at my school is going to sacramento tomorrow to join the protest! i wish i was going :/

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[info]the_fragile07
2008-11-07 04:26 am UTC (link)
agreed. it enrages me that the catchphrase for Yes on 8 was "Protect Marriage."

I love how people who are against gay marriages are okay with people having "civil unions" because they don't want the word "marriage" tainted. if you're so concerned about marriage becoming a joke, why don't you just make polygamy illegal?

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[info]ne0ndice
2008-11-07 05:53 am UTC (link)
protect marriage from whom? the homosexuals who have marriage-destroying guns that are going to blast it if prop 8 failed?

ugh, but civil unions aren't the same as marriages :/ definitely not the same respect, but also not the same rights on a federal level.

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[info]the_fragile07
2008-11-07 06:34 am UTC (link)
Joe Biden said that gay couples could have the exact same rights and tax benefits as a married couple... but he argues that he will not call it a marriage. then what's the point?? I seriously don't get people. I think the Bay Area should detach from California and become its own state :P

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[info]ne0ndice
2008-11-07 07:18 am UTC (link)
there are still some supporters of 8 here in the Bay Area, especially asians and their hardcore christian beliefs D:

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[info]crimemob
2008-11-07 04:54 am UTC (link)
WORD.

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[info]ne0ndice
2008-11-07 05:51 am UTC (link)
<3

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[info]glamorandgore
2008-11-07 05:47 am UTC (link)
"I won't say that people who believe that homosexuality is wrong are ignorant, because that's what they believe and they have all the rights in the world to believe that."

yes, people are allowed to believe what they want to believe, but that doesn't mean that what they believe isn't ignorant.

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[info]ne0ndice
2008-11-07 05:51 am UTC (link)
true true, but i think the idea of what is ignorance is still a personal opinion. personally, i think that my friends who have said, "omg gay people are so gross. i feel like they're going to rape me or something." are fucking ignorant asses, but i still can't seem to change their mind. and if there aren't ignorant people, who are we going to fight then :P

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[info]glamorandgore
2008-11-12 12:17 am UTC (link)
if we didn't fight them to open their minds, we would probably still have legal slavery.

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[info]ne0ndice
2008-11-12 08:08 am UTC (link)
lol we do have legal slavery, as punishment

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[info]glamorandgore
2008-11-13 03:40 am UTC (link)
in the us?

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[info]ne0ndice
2008-11-13 05:41 am UTC (link)
yup, amendment 13, section 1:

"Neither slaver nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject for their jurisdiction."

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[info]rather_b_dancin
2008-11-07 08:37 am UTC (link)
Some reporters are actually saying that all the support for Obama may have hurt the No on 8 cause... because African Americans are typically homophobic (I'm not really sure where that stems from, but I learned that in my intro to African American psychology class, so I'd assume it's true)... and so many african americans were drawn to the polls to vote for Obama.

I'm very happy Obama's going to be our president. And very unhappy about Prop 8. I've spent the last couple days moping. It's not that it affects me directly right now... I don't plan to be married anytime soon... it's really the hate that surrounds the yes on 8 campaign that's so upsetting to me right now. The majority of our youth voted no on 8, so our future looks bright, but the present is not so good.

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[info]crashclashh
2008-11-30 11:53 pm UTC (link)
k i'm late on this but i agree so so so so much

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